I'm doing some SMT but all hand soldering not toaster over or hot air gun. Anyone think these SMT PLCC sockets are hand solderable? http://www.mill-max.com/images/products/PDF/095.pdf http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Mill-Max/Photos/1.jpg > BTW, are they all PLCC, QFP and such, or are there some in DIPs and > SOIC? Seems like all those pins are overkill for a lot of > applications. (not to mention loads tougher to prototype with) Most of them are PLCC and other surface mount type packages. Of course, there do exist PALs, which come in DIP, but I've always found them to be FAR to restrictive in use. Generally if I need a DIP sized package and speed isn't the utmost concern I just use a PIC. If speed is important then I'd generally go for a CPLD. The 44pin PLCC package, once you get used to it's through hole socket, is actually quite easy to deal with. And they are certainly getting cheap. TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu