1> Free (almost) 2> No parts (almost) 3> Trivially easy to build 4> Works with all PICs (almost) 5> Works with any PC hardware (almost) 6> Works with most OS's 7: I guess it must also be reliable? From engineer to manager: you can choose any 6. My Wisp628 falls short of (4) [(and of course (2)], but do you realy need to program EPROM PICs? ================================= > priced $10 .. $40 is what > Simple serial protocol to download compiled .hex file into micro. (source code of downloader is available and portable to any OS ) Perhaps USB is replacing serial on the 2nd thought ... Sounds like Wisp628 :) Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu