> And where's that binary > code translator > to convert one to another? Feel free to make one. > The 648 ought to be binary compatible with > the 628 and 627, right? As far as I can see it is, except that my beloved 'external resistor oscillator mode' is gone. > I think we'd get further on "hobbyist programability" by designing > standardized > bootloader software and circuitry. There are lots of bootloaders around, just choose your standard :) BTW I sell both blank PIC chips and pre-programmed PICs ($2 extra), including a 16F877 bootloader. I do occasionally sell a pre-programmed chip, but not much. > (what are the cheapest and > smallest PICs with bootload capability, > anyway?) 16F818? But in a 1k chip a bootloader leaves very little space for an application :( But a client of me uses the 16F819 with a 1 k bootloader (1k for the application). Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics