Howard Winter wrote: > The problem is that you won't know when the first order arrives > whether it's the only one for that particular > program, for the first of a thousand, so pricing is tricky! Well, Elektor askes anything between aprox $20 and $40 a chip for pre-programmed PCIs and AVRs that they sell to the kits published in Elektor. The naked chip is normaly $5-$10 depending on the project and how you are able to source the chips, of course. Probably lower if you can by them in batches of 100's. At that price, I'd be ready to program and send them one by one... > For someone who just wants to solder a board together, it's OTT to > expect them to also buy or build a programmer for a one-off project... Fully agree !! And thats probably why publications like Elektor can sell there pre-programmed chips at those prices mentioned above ! B.t.w, Elektor has "outsourced" part of their PCB bussines to someone called "The PCB Shop" (or something like that), maybe they'd be interested in someone running "The MCU Shop" !? Well, if they quit publishing *new* project using the 16F84, that is :-) Jan-Erik. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads