>There are some cases where the analog 'scope is easier to use. >XY mode being one, and a second being running on auto trigger >when you are probing around not quite sure of what you are >looking for. I can make the TDS430 work in both these cases, >but the 465 is preferable. I would go along with attitude as well. I have a couple of Tek DSO's available to me, but there are cases where an analogue scope gives you a better picture of what is actually going on. There are times where interpreting what you see on the DSO is a bit of a "black art" ("there ha= s to be a glitch there") which you would see a sign of on an analogue one. = I have also had examples where the waveform changed the extraneous noise on= it as the timebase was changed, affecting the sampling rate, which affected = how the noise was displayed. It made it quite annoying setting out to determi= ne what the actual noise was. The DSO is great for capturing very slow repetition rate signals, or triggering on a known signal, and wanting to see something that happened just before on another waveform. But for most things an analogue scope wi= ll do most everything you want. At the end of the day it would still be possible to build a digital front end to go on an analogue scope that gave the digital storage and pre-trig= ger capture features of a DSO, but using the analogue scope as the display device. For someone setting out to bootstrap themselves up like you are, = I would suggest that one of the tek 400 series already mentioned, or a 2200 series, would be a great way to start. In the HP line the standard machin= e used to be the 1740, but these are now somewhat too old and heavy to consider unless you got it extremely cheap. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2567276184&categor= y=3D150 4 - just the scope, get some probes from RS or farnell. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2568222190&categor= y=3D450 14 - somewhat more expensive, but an alternative. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2568999613&categor= y=3D150 4 - has reserve, will probably be outside your budget. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2569004610&categor= y=3D150 4 - another worthwhile contender. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2568417406&categor= y=3D450 14 - has a buy-it-now at =A3150, was a BT unit, so may have had a hard li= fe, but again could well be OK. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2569347112&categor= y=3D150 4 - probes, don't know what the normal RS price is, but these could be contenders. I would not recommend Telequipment or Philips units. Others may be happy with them, but I find the Philips units do not suit me, and the Telequipm= ent ones were not really well made. Some of the Japanese made units may do yo= u alright, but for similar money I would prefer to see a "name" unit. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.