Sorry, forgot the subject header on the original. ----- I've assembled a El Cheapo programmer and have yet to write/run my obligatory "Hello World!" application of a flashing LED. However I stumbled upon the PonyProg and SI-Prog combo when looking for a inexpensive alternative for programming the ATMEL uC's. My question is this, has anyone used this programmer on PIC's? It says it works with them too, so I was thinking this might be a good way to go if I'm going to be playing with both uC's. Thoughts and experiences appreciated. Keith L. Kovala klk@renderedelement.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.