>But the real fun begins when these people get in >power and start to remodel and reinterpret what >passes for reality to fit their model. Then they Everyone does this. In fact, a thought (consciousness) is more "effect" than "cause". In other words, a thought occurs about 500 mS after the meat between your ears decides what you are going to think. People first act (or think) in ways that tend to increase inclusive fitness, and then they "rationalize" (invent socially acceptable excuses for) that behavior for others. I have a mailing list where we discuss (mostly) thermodynamics, evolution theory, and how the brain works. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_dieoff_QA Join now, it starts on Nov. 1. Aloha, Jay -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu