I use WinPic located at www.qsl.net/dl4yhf This programmer can be used with 12f family etc and supports various programmers. I use the COM84 interface option as it is a common serial port programmer. :-) Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:16 AM Subject: [PIC] noppp programmer and 12-bit devices hi, has anyone experience with the noppp programmer and pic12 family? as far as i can see hardware is compatible (except for some different pin layout), but various software available seems not adequate to handle pic12 devices. am i to write programming software myself or did i just miss something when googling? regards rene -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.