hi, has anyone experience with the noppp programmer and pic12 family? as far as i= can see hardware is compatible (except for some different pin layout), but various= software available seems not adequate to handle pic12 devices. am i to write programming software myself or did i just miss something when= googling? regards rene -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.