Right! That's why there are AVR, SX, ST, HC ...etc available. No one manufacturer can *fit all*, what to expect from a single part? It'd be silly to put a 100pin device in a rice cooker. VV "Alan B. Pearce" wrote: The "one size fits all" package can also be too large to fit the available space. For this reason I am looking at using one of the 14 pin devices in a project, and how would you seriously fit such a programmable device in an 8 pin package? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.