>There is no such thing as 'poor design'. >"Inappropriate design", yes. >All designs have diferent criteria. Not using an RS232 driver on a >$1000 product would be inapproprate. Using an expensive >driver for a very low-cost product where cost is the >top priority would be equally inappropriate. Of course you need to balance BOM cost with the cost of returns, unhappy customers, customer service time, etc. >--- snip -- >I highly doubt it - I've never come across a single RS232 port that doesn't work fine with 5V levels >(many thousand products in the field). >Has anyone ...? Yes. "Most" PC's work ok (with a lot of assumptions), however RS232 doesn't always mean "connected to a PC". Try tying together 2 devices, say a FEP and a modem with 150 feet of rs232 cable. It then becomes important. PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads