> So can you advise how I can use a MIG welder to build a PIC programmer? :-) 1. Programmer - no. Eraser - certainly (JW or plastic or ceramic pacakages ! :-) 2. Very carefully ? RM -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads