I'm feeling very proud having finally managed to neatly hand solder a SC70 package to a board using an oversize Antex pin point bit (I really must upgrade my equipment ). Of course whether the Max823 watchdog thingy still works is another matter. Colin -- cdb, cdb@barnard.name on 31/03/2002 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads