To PICLIST: Quality, while unusual in this context, seemed like the word I wanted :-) SUMMARY: Has the 16F819 got any problems that would make me think about not using it in a moderate volume production application. ? Comments sought from people who have used it. DETAIL: I'm about to design the next generation of a product. Present product uses a non-PIC non-Flash processor. I have several non-PIC candidate processors. New processor will ideally be: Bulletproof Flash plus eerom parameter storage. ISP Hardware PWM (essential) A/D - preferably 10 bit Around 16 I/O 1K / 2K word versions preferable. On board power on Reset and anti-Brownout that work Available readily in Taiwan . Reasonably priced basic development tools (basic programmer / simulator probably adequate. ICE OK if cheap (as some are)) Low voltage operation a plus. UART nice but not essential. ______________ Bullet proof translates to: Provided ALL data sheet operating specifications are met then NO unexpected operation modes, inexplicable crashes, weird startup modes or other bad surprises. I have had too much of the above already from xxx's product. I can tolerate known "features" which are well described and which can be worked around (although these are better absent). The 16F818 / 16F819 seems to meet my spec. Notably 1K/2K Flash versions, hardware PWM, 10 bit A/D, ISP So - has anyone got good or bad things to say about this particular PIC. Any surprises. Anyone used it in volume. Brownout works OK in presence of Tesla coils and lightning ? :-) Hand connect the battery and it starts every time? etc Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu