A couple of weeks ago I bought a copy of East Meets East, by (artist formerly known as Nigel) Kennedy and Polish group Kroke When you put the CD into the PC it launches Midbar Tech's bundled player. Looking at the directory there are no visible .cda tracks, but it will play OK on a Discman. Now, they reckon this is copy protection but it's still possible and easy to do audio extraction with an editor like Goldwave and then burn a normal .cda music CD. Which I do to make back-ups of all my CDs. For genuine archiving reasons BTW, not for piracy. Even if it were not possible to extract the .cda files it would be very easy, and a logical step I'd have thought, to simply record the audio from an external player like a Discman through the sound card. I just didn't see the point of this Midbar Tech player http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1106-852952.html http://www.techtv.com/tlkbck/comment/0,24009,3365632-554085,00.html?netsecti on_id= Or Google for "Midbar Tech" -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.