Mike W wrote: > GM folks, > I'm trying to find the 'proper' stuff to make a reflective opto > quadrature rotary encoder. > I'm having problems in as much as the black ( spirit based felt tip > pen ) is reflecting as much IR as the white Try different markers, you will find that different colors (as well as same colors, but different ink mixtures) will reflect varying amounts of IR light. It may be that a bright yellow hi-liter gives you a low reflection level of IR, while black gives you high reflectivity. You might be able to find two markers with the same human visible color, but one reflects IR and one doesn't. That should keep the reverse engineers guessing for a while. ;-) I think someone else mentioned using a black and white camera or webcam to view a homemade samples chart illuminated by a remote control. michael brown -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics