>> If you are involved in commercial enterprise, how do you deal with >> customers (in the real world) who invariably do not supply all relevant >> information from the beginning ? > > We have all had this problem. The way I usually deal with it is to say: > > "Sir, I do not have a clear enough picture of your needs, therefore I > cannot make a fixed bid. If you would like, I will generate a > SPECIFICATION DOCUMENT capable of being bid against, for $X per hour. > Would you like me to do that?" > > People who KNOW what the problem is will pay you for your time. The rest > won't, and you don't need those folks anyway, they will eat you alive. This is so true. This approach worked fine until about a year ago. Now there a lot of people out there who lost their jobs and have no experience in consulting. They grasp at anything without realizing the trouble they are getting themselves into. Unfortunately this gives inexperienced prospects the wrong view. You can try to explain this to a prospect all you want, talk about experience, give them referrals, etc, but in the end many will buy on price anyway. Yes, these are the ones that are going to be a pain in the butt because they don't understand the realities of the business, but unfortunately the market sucks and you can't afford to just pick the cream of the crop like 1 1/2 years ago. I used to say the best customer is one that's been to Vinny and back. This is still true, but there are fewer customers and a lot more Vinnys now. It's getting much harder to sell quality to an inexperienced customer. I still haven't figured out a good answer to this. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics