>Nice trick, I didn't know about that. It has the added benefit >of allowing you to see just the page in the frame without all >the frame junk around it. I tried it, and the URL of the specific >frame is http://www.newscanner.com/signs.htm. Yeah, but I preferred to look at the selection at the top of the frames where they ask for your favourite colour. The resultant picture is large, and because the plastic is not a dark colour, you can see the silhouette of the spinning mechanism inside. In the Green one you can see a distinct edge view of the LED PCB. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics