Thanks to all who responded. Maybe I did not make myself clear. I have hd44780 compatible lcds which are no-name no-datasheet types ;-). They work ok but there is not enough contrast even if the Vee is taken to GND, with nominal 5V supply. These LCDs do not allow Vee to go negative. So I increased the supply of the lcd alone to 5.5 then 5.8 V and the contrast improved (with Vee tied to GND all the time). The controllers on the lcd seem to be rated 6.5V absolute maximum so I don't see a problem. The question was, do you see a problem with this, and is there another way to achieve this contrast increase (besides by heating the lcd panel with an ito heater ;-). I have considered what happens when reading data from the LCD. It seems that these LCDs are built with CMOS controllers whose data outputs consist of a lower NMOS driven by data and an upper PMOS that is always on and provides a weak pullup. I am relying on the internal PIC protection diodes and on a zener on the PIC Vdd supply line to provide clamping of excessive voltage coming from the LCD data lines. This is for a few-off device. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu