If you've never sunk a ground rod, then let me tell you a little hint. Don't pound it. Jab it into the ground and pull it out. Then pour some water in the hole. Jab it back in and watch it sink much further. Pull it out, its not that hard...really. Then pour more water in the hole, now jab it back in the hole. Keep doing this and you can sink an 8foot ground rod in about 1 or 2 minutes. Be careful, FJ From: Tim Hart I'd pound the new one in, _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.