> I'll probably get sent off to the looney-bin for this one They set the bar a bit higher than that these days. Now, if some voices "told" you to destroy it.......... > and it will always be on Can you mask it with tape or paint or something ? It'll be on but you just won't see it. Or drill it out and fill in the hole ? -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.