> >I have used and would highly recommend the Wisp628 > > If you are looking to the future then you should buy a > Programmer with a USB connection. The OP has already bought a Wisp628 kit :) I agree that USB is probably the future, but the price of USB-to-serial converters getting lower all the time so an RS-232- only programmer is sufficiently 'future-proof' for the forseable future. When doing ex-circuit programming USB can have the advantage that no external power is needed, but for ICSP the USB power is probably no adequate, so this disadvantage disappears. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.