I am in northern Ontario, . I'm very new with pic (no programming knoledge). I just saw a lot of info on the 16F84 and thought the 84A would suit my purpose at the time. I need at least one 877 so I can interface a joystick using a/d convertor. > > Where in Canada are you located? Have you looked at digikey.ca? They have > most PICs that a hobbyist would want. Is there a reason you are using the > 16F84? The 16F628 is a newer chip that is more full featured. TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics