I live in Canada and the only version of the 16F84 I can get is the = 16F84A-20. I have just built the cheap-pic programmer and found out that = it will not program this version. Are there any home built programmers = that will program the A-20 version? or even the 877A version?=20 Thank You Mike www.angelfire/mech/homerov/index.html -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics