Alexandre, You've been added to my list of IP addresses to check out in my spare time. GRiN Just kidding, I don't have any spare time to mess with your computer. But if you think your computer is so clean why don't you run Ad-Aware and see how much junk Kazaa is bringing in. While they may not be viruses in the sense that an AV program considers them, I'll bet a high count on hooks into your registry. In fact I'd be willing to bet Gator is on your computer and you don't even know it, it loves to come in through Kazaa! http://lavasoft.element5.com/support/download/ Keith L. Kovala klk@ksu.edu -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Alexandre Souza Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:43 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [OT:] Worm > I disagree. The small network administration becomes a big pain. The > users don't realize that Real Player, Lotteries, Auctions, Kazaa; > Messenger, ICQ, > URLs, etc destroy every single defense you put to protect the > Intranet. The > most efficient antiviral I found is a slow chat with the user, telling > her/him: "the next thing you install with out my authorization, you > are FIRED!",..."The next forbidden URL you *see*, with out consulting > me, you are FIRED",... it works. (Although, I don't have such > authority :)) I think it is just plain stupid. I use Kazaa, ICQ, mail (yep, outlook express!!!) and web, and NEVER EVER had a single ocurrence of virus or something like this on my machine. Nothing like a good antivirus (AVG) and good config of the Outlook. Of course, a good firewall to block effects of lotteries, date manager, temperature-dunno-what and like is also good for dumb users. I'm very sorry of being against your oppinion, but I prefer a well configured environment that gives freedom to users, instead of a locked-everything-puter with no freedom to learn, inovate and comunicate. Are you relative of Mr. Bush? ;o))) --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 05/08/03 -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu