Only been on the list for a few weeks now, and like any other group, virtual or physically present there are rough edges between some members. It's unfortunate that some people just can't take a little constructive criticism. And I'm talking about those that feel Olin pummeled them, even though reading through the list I don't see anything that sounded out of line. Maybe a bit strong, or biased or opinionated. But we are all entitled to those things. There are definitely a lot of good contributors to the list, and even if sometimes the wording is gruff there is always something to learn from each posting. There are many possible reasons for attitides in postings, language differences for example, because even though we are all speaking (typing) english here, for some it's 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. I love that europeans are typically so multilingual - wish the US was that way. Plus someone might have just had a fight with their significant other, sibling, offspring, or just plain rolled out of bed on the wrong side. Maybe they stubbed their pinky toe on the way to the computer to promptly answer your question and hadn't quite cooled down. I think you get the point. I doubt all the reverse flaming Olin is getting for his posting is going to chase him off, and I personally look for his posting to learn something, along with a few others that I watch for because regardless these are the "wise men" even if their methods are not what we personally prefer. Oh and the threats of reporting to the admins for removal?! What is that, the cyber version of "I'm going to sue you?!" Come on people, take a little responsibility for your own actions. You posted to the list, not every response is going to be serene and 100% helpful. So, those of you with a thin skin, weak spine, or whatever, CHILL! This list is here to support you, if you don't like it, LEAVE! I know I can dish out a flame, and I can take it too. So if I ever step out of line, 'bring it on!' Way [OT:] Anyone hear about the comment the Dixie Chicks made in Canada about American not taking a joke? Seems the media is jumping all over them again. Geesh, the media needs to take a chill pill (valium). I don't understand them jumping on the Dixie Chicks for speaking the truth. The media blew their first comment way out of proportion, and now the media has the audacity to jump the Dixie Chicks again for retaliating against the media by speaking the truth?! What ever happened to "live and let live"? Keith L. Kovala klk@renderedelement.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu