I have been using the ICD 2, but also use the inexpensive http://www.olimex.com/dev/ PG2C which hangs on the serial port with the latest software from http://www.ic-prog.com. For the money, this little programmer is pretty good. I have a number of these on http://www.ebay.com. Search on "pic programmer" Peter H Anderson, http://www.phanderson.com --- Keith Pueschel wrote: > Oops forgot the colon. Thanks for the reply Mr. > James Newton. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics