I agree. I have a paid subscription using Yahoo, mainly because of their superior SPAM and virus controls. My life dramatically improved with their servers. I pay $30 USD/yr for the very BEST service. I also ran (for a year) a Yahoo list on a totally different topic. It was a breeze. The ads are not serious, but I THINK they now offer an ad-free service, which I would be willing to help support personally and financially. Also, its easy to pass admin duties around among members who can handle the week of xxx-to-xxx on a rotating basis. --Bob At 01:28 PM 7/29/2003 -0600, you wrote: >I run several diverse lists, large and small, on both Yahoo, Mailman and >majordomo. I find that the Yahoo list management tools are FAR superior to >Mailman's (or MD's). > >For example, I can search for a subscriber's address directly. With Mailman >I have to visually scan a list of links to determine which page the address >is on. With yahoo I can ban an address and the person is unable to >resubscribe. With mailman I'd have to turn on subs moderation to be able to >catch a spammer's/PITA's attempt to return to the list. > >Yahoo has the advantage of automatically handling bounces and most other >error conditions. It also has a 'files' and 'photos' area where members >could post images or binaries, as well as a live chat capability (for >those who might want to have an interactive discussion on a problem).. > >In terms of adminstration ease, yahoo wins easily. One of the yahoo lists >I moderate has over 4100 members and 85+ posts a day but I have at most one >issue a month to deal with. The list software takes care of most of the >other administrivia. > >A yahoo 'piclist' already exists, with some 1100 members >but it does not have photos or files enabled and doesn't appear to be >kept up to date. >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piclist/ > >The downside to Yahoo is a 5 line (or 1 inch) advert that appears at >the bottom of every post from the list. You DO NOT have to register with >yahoo if you only want to interact with the list by email. > >The above 'piclist' is NOT managed by me, nor do I know the owner, >so it might be wise to set up a 'mitpiclist' if that is this >list's desire. > >In fact, it is so easy, I just did it. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piclistMIT/ > >Only members can post or read the archives. Attachments are deleted (viri >proofing). >The usual set of email commands are available so you don't HAVE to >register with yahoo to participate. > >mailto:piclistmit-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >mailto:piclistmit-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >mailto:piclistmit-nomail@yahoogroups.com >mailto:piclistmit-digest@yahoogroups.com >mailto:piclistmit-normal@yahoogroups.com > >You can always use a 'fake' profile when you register to access the >web interface. If you do choose to register, you should immediately >go to 'account info' and then 'edit my marketing preferences' to turn >'OFF' all email junk from Yahoo. It works!. So does being a 95 year >old female in your profile . > >Only Yahoo lets you send out email with a 'hidden' address >"e.g. hide your email address", which is why they want you to >register (spam control). > >And is MIT certain that mailman can handle the traffic load? >I understand that mailman is running python scripts, and from >what I've seen of our local mailman host, it's pretty slow. > >And since a large part of the issue is related to 'administrator >burn out', in my -experienced- opinion, Yahoo is the best way to go >since it is fast, idiot proof, and nearly self-managing. > >You may vote for this idea by subscribing to the new, working, >mailto:piclistmit-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > >or to the MIT mailman list, when (IF?) it gets set up. > >I'd be happy to hand over ownership of piclistmit to whomever of the >old admins who might want it. > >Robert > >Mike Harrison wrote: > > > > > > > > >AND/OR > > > > > >a very, very stable benefactor who is able to host a mailing list that > > >generates between 1 to 4 GB (that is Giga Bytes) of traffic daily (as in > > >every day). MIT is STABLE enough to handle the 200 emails times 10KB > average > > >size times 2000 members plus another 100 error messages,etc... times 4 > > >admins, etc... it adds up. AND it goes on year after year. Did I mention > > >stable? As in no, I don't think we want to host it on your killer > Linux box > > >via the screaming DSL connection that your Mom pays for, thanks anyway. > > > > Excuse my ignorance, but Is there a good reason why the list couldn't > be transferred to Yahoogroups? > > This seems to work fine for several other lists I'm a member of, > although these are significantly > > smaller than the Piclist. > > You quickly get in the habit of ignoring the few lines of advertising > they append to the end of > > messages. > >-- >http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! >email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body --------------- NOTICE 1. This account can accept email & attachments up to 10M in size. 2. Federal Monitors: At request of client, some attachments are encrypted. Please DO NOT delay traffic; please reply with credentials for password. -------------- -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body