I'm thinking of getting an ICD2, but will not also be getting a standalone programmer (Warp-13, etc.). The Microchip site is hazy about the ICD2 being able to program the 12F/16F series *without* their emulator/adapters for these devices --- can the ICD2 program (not debug) these chips provided the Vpp/PGC/PGD lines are connected in-circuit? Cheers, Ishaan -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads