Still can't get it to do ICSP, even with the new firmware and executable. Any other ideas? Anyone else tried? Mike H. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu