Patrick Richards wrote: > Another hurdle to overcome was knowing which chip to start with. Everywhere > I looked online people were using the 16F84. The problem is that few (if any) people put a "best before" date on there web pages. A *lot* of what you find on the net is using the F84, just because the pages are way old... (Now, that Elektor still publish projects using quite old PICs is another matter...) By asking on the piclist you'll get "info-on-demand" normaly not older then a few minutes :-) I think you have found the answer, "do *not* use the F84". Then, there is also the fact that the 18-series PICs are even better, why not download some datasheets and check them up ? Easier to program, less chances to make programming error, better instructions. If you just want to play with a few chips, they are available through the sample services at Microchip... Jan-Erik. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body