Thanks for the insight Bob. So I guess for the semi advanced hobbiest (with aspirations of higher), the $95 deal is pretty good compared to Eagle. I can live with a few problems, especially since you said he is still fixing things regularly. I'll check out the yahoo group. Anyone else have any opinions? Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams Bob Barr wrote: -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body