Hi John, It's a good point. There is a lot of power under the hood and in many ways muvium is still a raw technology in that it doesn't have all the books and tutorials and quick start guides you might be used to. That will come though as will the ability to use Visual Basic.NET to program your applications if JAVA doensn't make sense. As for not being a sales prospect.. Hobbysts may not buy much stuff but every time a hobbyst adds an example or a device driver to the opensource projects that are (will be) coming out of muvium then they have added value to muvium and so I seek and value hobbysts' contributions even if they are only using the free Virtual Breadboard tools just as much as I seek and value commercial sales 'prospects'. James Caska www.muvium.com uVM - 'Java Bred for Embedded' -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of John Ferrell Sent: Monday, 21 July 2003 6:00 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [PIC] Muvium I am finding it a bit like another fire hose to drink from! First of all, I need to wade through the details to find a couple of "Hello World" projects and I am going have finally find out what JAVA is all about. I am not much of a sales prospect though, I will never have a need beyond the hobby level. John Ferrell 6241 Phillippi Rd Julian NC 27283 Phone: (336)685-9606 johnferrell@earthlink.net Dixie Competition Products NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW "My Competition is Not My Enemy" ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Caska" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [PIC] Muvium > That's right.. And your not using it because.. Err..? Um.. > > I guess I have been better at technology than marketing... > > > James Caska > www.muvium.com > uVM - 'Java Bred for Embedded' > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pic microcontroller discussion list > [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Lawrence Lile > Sent: Friday, 18 July 2003 10:27 PM > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: [PIC] Muvium > > > So let me get this straight, you are selling parts, the compiler is > free and runs on the web? And why are we not all using it? > > > -- Lawrence Lile > > > > > > James Caska > Sent by: pic microcontroller discussion list > 07/18/2003 04:17 PM Please respond to pic microcontroller discussion > list > > > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > cc: > Subject: Re: [PIC] How relevant is Visual Basic to PIC? > > > Have a look at the concepts behind Virtual Breadboard and muvium. > > Read this document > http://www.muvium.com/downloads/muviumTechnologyEvaluationGuide.pdf > > I am here at PICMASTERS.. Some of you might have received this > document in your literature pack.. Read it ;-) > > James Caska > www.muvium.com > uVM - 'Java Bred for Embedded' > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pic microcontroller discussion list > [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Lawrence Lile > Sent: Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:56 PM > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: [PIC] How relevant is Visual Basic to PIC? > > > >'language X is releveant for PIC development.' for each and every X > >you > can dream > of. > > I suppose so. This brings to mind the dream project enviroment. > Screw MPlab, it tells you a little about what is ticking inside the > PIC. That is neat. But what I want is a PICTURE of the final project, > as pretty as the mechanical engineers across the hall with their > photorender programs can generate, with a full slate of LCDs, LEDs, > pushbuttons, and so on, BUT running raw, native PIC code (simulated on > the PC) and showing how it will REALLY work. The wheels turn, the LCD > screens have the right graphics, the blue LED's are blue, the volume > control changes the volume, 7 segment displays look like 7 segment > displays and also drive like them, the socks roll up and down, the ice > cream melts, the fat lady sings at the end and > the whole 9 yards. Sort of a holodeck for PICs. I have heard of > stuff > that approaches this, like PIC simulators + Spice, how close do we > get in reality? > > -- Lawrence Lile > > > > > > Wouter van Ooijen > Sent by: pic microcontroller discussion list > 07/16/2003 01:09 PM Please respond to pic microcontroller discussion > list > > > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > cc: > Subject: Re: [PIC] How relevant is Visual Basic to PIC? > > > > Wouter, I must respectfully disagree. Visual basic is very relevant > > to the PIC. > > I don't deny that VB can be important in a PIC project, but following > your line of reasoning *any* language that can run on a PC (or > whatever other platform you are prototyping and/or building the front > end on, and can be translated somehow to execute on a PIC) can be > important for a PIC. You can choose that side, but it reduces the > statement to 'language X is releveant for PIC development.' for each > and every X you can dream of. > > Wouter van Ooijen > > -- ------------------------------------------- > Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl > consultancy, development, PICmicro products > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > (like ads or off topics) for you. 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