>=20 >=20 > I can't answer the "production programmer" question. I=20 > suggest you contact them. Here's the link=20 > http://www.tech-tools.com/qwmain.htm >=20 > It seems to me the 16F876 takes about 10 or 15 seconds. But=20 > for $200 bucks, I suggest you get your own and time it. >=20 > Jay >=20 It I actually more like $259 because you have to buy a socket to go with it. I guess if you are doing just ICSP you don't need a socket. I wanted to mention that costs like these are pretty easily recoverable, if you are getting paid to do work. The Warp-13 seems to take around 20-30 seconds at high baud to program a 16F628. If I had something that halved that time, it would pay for itself fairly quickly in time saved for the compile-run-test cycle. Alex -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu