You can buy the USB type A-A lead for kits 128 and 149 from Quasar Electronics at www.quasarelectronics.com/csleaduaa.htm The kits can be found at www.quasarelectronics.com/pic_programmers.htm Sales Team QUASAR ELECTRONICS LIMITED EMAIL: sales@quasarelectronics.com Website: www.quasarelectronics.com/home.htm (Mirror site: www.electronic-kits-and-projects.com) Quasar Electronics Limited PO Box 6935 Bishops Stortford CM23 4WP UNITED KINGDOM TEL: 0870 246 1826 Intl +44 870 246 1826 FAX: 0870 460 1045 Intl +44 870 460 1045 -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Charles Anderson Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:34 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [PIC]: Kit 149 serial/USB programmer There are legal Male A to Female A cables. They have a powered repeater on them for extending cable lengths. The Kit 149 programmer requires a Male A to Male A cable, which legal, or not are available, but rare. I found one a the larger local Micro Center. CompUSA, Staples, OfficeMax Best Buy, smaller Micro Center didn't look like they even carried them. -Charlie On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 10:15:08PM -0400, Bob Ammerman wrote: > The USB standard was defined so that "If you can hook it up, it will work". > > That is the reason that an Male A to Male B cable is the only allowed > configuration. > > Also, Female A/Male A and Female B/Male B are 'illegal' because they can be > used to create connections that are too long. > > Also, IIRC low speed devices are supposed to have a captive cable because > low speed requires a minimum cable length. > > Bob Ammerman > RAm Systems > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Davidson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [PIC]: Kit 149 serial/USB programmer > > > > >The cable.. I ended up buying the plugs and trying to make it myself.. Is > > >there a pinout available for the cable? > > > > There may be in the USB standard, but I'm not sure. > > > > >I identified the cable as an issue in the beta testing (construction > > phase).. > > >I recall at the time someone said it was against the USB standard to have > a > > >cable of that configuration. > > > > I'm also not sure if it's "against the standard", otherwise the cables > > wouldn't exist (Well.. I guess they could). I think it's use may be > against > > the standard. I seem to recall that Type A is meant for host devices? But > > don't quote me. When I went to purchase one the guy at the store was like > > "Woah, what do you need that for? Connecting to a switch?" > > > > Michael > > -- > > > > Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers. > > -- Leonard Brandwein -- Charles Anderson caa at columbus dot rr dot com No quote, no nothin' -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body