pic microcontroller discussion list <> wrote on Friday, June 27, 2003 10:16 AM: > For several years, one client had need for a 28Mhz PIC (14.31818 x 2 > ) for a video retrace job. I set up a test jig so he could cull the > PICs that couldn't pass muster. After a few weeks he dropped the > test. None ever failed. Thats about 40% overspeed. The short answer is that they go as fast as you are happy to sell! Nothing is guaranteed by the manufacturer if you go outside the specifications, so you effectively take on the responsibility for handling failures and their consequences. When there is no alternative, we qualify some commercial components (for the avoidance of doubt, I'm not talking about PICs here!) and test the resulting products extensively, to ridiculously high temperatures, so that we can confidently use them at less ridiculous temperatures (often well over 150 deg C). If I asked the manufacturer of the devices, they would, quite rightly, say that the parts would not run within specification at the required temperature and if someone at A.N.Other Semiconductor makes a process optimisation which increases their yield by 0.01% and all our tests fail, that's just tough. It's not their fault, and we have to find a suitable replacement. The same would go for overclocking etc. In a previous job, I came across a company who were putting electronics, with standard DIL packages in oil-filled hoses and taking them a couple of km under the sea (for control of unmanned underwater vehicles, a non-pressurised oil-filled container is much lighter, smaller and cheaper than a thick metal enclosure). They had the same situation, some DIL packages had small air pockets, and the whole device could implode at pressure. Others would run satisfactorily at over 100x atmospheric pressure. The semiconductor manufacturer would not be interested in reducing the number or size of bubbles in the package, if the company wanted to use them, they had to test them. However, if a part is available which meets the specs, then it is usually the best choice, qualification testing is not trivial. As a starting point, in my personal experience, overvoltage or overcurrent are not good roads to go down, all other specs are open to testing if the application requires. Nigel -- -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics