> I am really just starting to kick off with PIC's now, and if > i might make > one reccomendation its GET A PROGRAMMER WITH A ZIF SOCKET!! Bullocks. Who wants a career as DIP-swapper? Get a programmer that supports ICSP, and a bunch of DIP clips! (or for a low-buget: include an ICSP connector in your design, or just put the ICSP wires directly into your solderless breadboard). Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads