>My suggestion: get the PICDEM2 PLUS evaluation board along with the ICD2 >debugger module. Digikey sells these together for $229US. I think they >are available directly from Microchip also. > >The demo board has 3 picchip sockets: 40 pin dip, 28 pin dip and 18 pin >dip. It has pushbutton switches, led's, an lcd and a prototyping area. It >comes with a PIC18F452 chip and one other. Example programs are on a CD. Ahh Yes, I knew I had seen something like this recently, and your posting reminded me. Look for Farnell catalogue #386-6397 which has the ICD2 with PICDEM-2 for GBP144.14 (probably +VAT) This would be commensurate with the US price. way to go to get working real smartly. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.