Jake Anderson wrote: As for knocking VB, I have used it to make a program that interfaced with a mysql database to run almost all aspects of a telecomunications company in around a day. From tracking faults through to resolution, "Instant Messaging" between staff, Billing customers, checking wholesale rates, stock managment, sales person "managment" and a whole heap of other stuff. Point is unless you were some godlike C coder there is no way you could have done that in a day and make it look nice to the users. VB has its place C has its place. Get over it. And how does that compare with other rad tools like vc++ vtcl python and more ? Apart from the os and portability problems everyone knows and loves ? Or did you also write the libraries you used on the same day ? Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads