Happens that I received this on the CANlist mailing list today: "For example, Profibus, nobody was allowed to build a master except Siemens itself as Siemens is having the patents. So anybody can build devices for Profibus. But for the master you always have to buy the high priced Siemens master. (Currently, there is an exception as there is a second company that brought a license)" This was written by a guy from CiA. Big discussion going on what should be "open". Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CANbus to read the archives. Read the "CANOpen Tiny and Code Download." thread. Quentin -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.