Hi Art, Don't worry about the cost, they are all cheap! Also don't worry about overkill in terms of what the chip can do, unused features & pins cost almost nothing. For convenience go for a flash part & avoid the old ICD1 as the new chips like the 18F458 won't work with it! If you can afford to get the ICD2 module and say the PIC18F458 then you can make just about anything you want from the trivial to the spectacular. I program everything in assembler which is of course free but does cause some difficulty with maths etc. I've written a load of macros to handle 16bit maths and this works fine. Finally don't be put off by the dozens of special registers etc, just start with trivial 3 or 4 line programs and just go from there. It's not rocket science and anyone can do it even if it looks a bit frightening at first. Good luck, Roger -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Art Sent: 12 June 2003 19:36 To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: [PIC]: newbee, which chip to learn with? Good day all. I'm a newbee and someday I hope to be able to program these beasts. As a newbee, I am wondering which chip I should start with??? The pic page says to start with the 16F, some chatter on here indicates another chip has more capabilities and sells for less. Can anyone give me some guidance here??? Thanks Art -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics