> I reckon you can't go past IVEX i/t/o value for $$. You mean in bugs/$? I must admit it was a long time ago I tried IVEX, but I'll sure never will do that again! I use and like eagle, but I have to second Olin in his complaints about the inflexible libraries (both in managing and in things like rotating and cycling pins). Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu