Well, it depends, I use simulator for diffiucult parts of a program only. Microchip's ICD schema is free and I don't consider to break any law building this for my hobby using. When you use PIC18xxx you shoud look at www.picmicro.com. The downloader and ICD ability fit for hobbiest purposes perfect. Igor -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of John Nall Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:08 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: [PIC]: Debugging code in the chip I am curious about how people debug their code once they have burned it into the chip and it does not work correctly. Would appreciate any feedback I can get. I'm not talking about the commercial guys, now, with their zillion-dollar systems, but the poor hobbyists (like me) who have a breadboard, a chip, a few components, and a simulator. Simulators are wonderful, but at some point you have gone through the code, and it all looks correct; you have run it through the simulator and it works perfectly, you burn it into the chip, and BAM! it does not work. :-( So how do people debug it at that point? (I have some ideas, but I am sure there are a whole raft of things I have not thought of). John -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body