I was wondering if there is a RS232 serial cable with a Max232 type = device built-in, so that I can connect a PC to an MCU without having to = put a max232 into the MCU circuit. Thanks John -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads