a Another possibility is to find a distributor that offers a device programming service, or a third-party programmer. You set up a deal whereby the programming house holds the code. The mfr places an order for programmed parts with them at a price that includes your royalty, which the programmer then sends to you. I've not heard of anyone doing this but it seems to be a reasonable solution - you don't have to program chips - the disti handles everything under their QA program, and the mfr is ensured a supply if you're on holiday, fall under a bus etc. That's a good solution that addresses a significant part of the problem. It doesn't fix the support issue, as that requires the commented source code. But, for many embedded systems code support isn't that important once the original work is done and the design is verified. The primary concern there is additional copies, on a reliable basis, of the final design, without hold-up games. (I've decided not to deliver any more programmed chips unless the price is increased, etc. While the purchaser may be able to enforce a contractual right to the agreed price, the time pressures inherent in litigation work more against the purchaser, who has product to ship, perhaps to meet his own contractual requirements.) Most of the contracts I've help negotiate have had major code support, updating and customization requirements, so it's hard to get away from needing a "warm and fuzzy" feeling about your code supplier and his longevity. That's where the one-man software company is at a significant disadvantage in the view of many corporate purchasers. Jack -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/2003 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu