Lots of comments in here from a bunch of responses... First, seeing the responses reminded me of another feature that I conside= r=20 essential and should've mentioned before ... ICSP. I almost exclusively=20 program under ICSP nowadays, and would not be hurt if it did not even hav= e a=20 socket for a chip. Some thoughts on the responses... - Wisp628 -- actually looked at this before posting my original message, = but=20 did not see any reference to Linux support. If I was sure it would work=20 under some Linux software, then this goes very high on the list. I guess= =20 that a lot of programmers today are "spoken with" in a common fashion, bu= t=20 don't want to assume that it will work with just any SW. John Nall claim= ed=20 use under Linux..... John, what software are you using for this? - IC-Prog SW -- I can't find any version for Linux, and there's no mentio= n of=20 18F, which I'd really like to have. - Devices -- Since I've seen some reference to AVR in my searches, I thin= k=20 that would be nice to have, but not a hard requirement. I'll leave it at= the=20 back of my mind for now. - Warp-13 -- Again, I have not found any reference to programming under L= inux. - PS+ -- $$$ Since my Tait still works well, I'm wondering if I really = need=20 to spend >$100 for an upgrade. If I built the PS+ clone circuit, then=20 perhaps I could change to a Flash part to eliminate that upgradability is= sue. - Olin's programmer -- Proper project-management procedures & experience = has=20 taught me to eliminate "future" products in any evaluation. Olin, with a= ll=20 due respect, whereas I respect your technical aptitude, your apparently-f= irm=20 stand against Linux seems to eliminate this as even a future option. Or = do=20 you think that you will support Linux someday? I will mention that I'm hard set on Linux since it has allowed me to put = new=20 life into a once junked laptop w/o a hard-drive, etc. I did try to use W= in2k=20 programming SW in the past, but couldn't get the parallel-port device dri= vers=20 loaded properly. If it works under Win2k, then fine, but Linux is a must= =2E - PICkit 1 -- no reference to 18F, but I guess it should support the lowe= r-end=20 18F's. Anyone have some idea about this? - MeLabs EPIC -- Is their SW free/downloadable? I can't find it on their= =20 site. Cheers, -Neil. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads