On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 08:56:29AM +0100, Nigel Orr wrote: > pic microcontroller discussion list <> wrote on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 6:37 > AM: > > > As much as I bow to Mr. Tait for his great programmer, I'm thinking > > that it's run it's course and it may be time for me to upgrade. I > > still can't verify PIC's after programming, and it may be the > > programmer HW, software, PC port, or a combo of these, but I'd like > > consider this from the standpoint of a fresh slate. Would love to > > hear what's available nowadays that will meet the following needs... > > Picstart Plus works well for me, as a development programmer. Well > supported, reliable (except the early power supplies!), and works under > linux. You don't get the sheer satisfaction of building it yourself(!), > but it gives you more time to build your own designs instead of fighting > with the inadequacies of someone else's... But the cost is a killer. At the very least consider a Warp 13 an alternative at half the cost ($100 USD vs. $200 USD for the PS+) As one of those programmer designer you alluded to above, I personally find them all overrated. Bootloaders are so effective, that given a choice I'd always use it. In fact the only reason I maintain the TLVP programmer site is to provide a venue for dumping a bootloader into a chip. I wish that MChip would make their entire line self programmable, or at the very least provide one chip in each family that is self programmable. BAJ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads