I have a PIC Start Plus which I have upgraded to Version 3.11. I just don't need three of these while also selling WARP13s. It is not defective and hasn't seen much use. A photo is at http://www.phanderson.com/pic_start.jpg It is $125.00 plus $5.00 shipping in the US. I provide a 30 day return policy, no questions asked. ************ The WARP13A is also a very good buy. With the new 20MHz firmware, it zips right along and there have been many times when Jim at Newfound Electronics was ahead of Microchip. ************* As an aside, Olimex at http://www.olimex.com/dev/ has a PG2B which attaches to a serial port and requires no external power supply with free software from http://www.ic-prog.com. I was a bit skeptical that anything this cheap could actually work, but I was surprised. I began selling them on a free return basis and of some 200 sold, I have had no returns. Its a good unit for someone starting on a budget. ************* Best wishes. Peter H. Anderson, pha(at)phanderson.com, http://www.phanderson.com --- Picdude wrote: > As much as I bow to Mr. Tait for his great > programmer, I'm thinking that it's > run it's course and it may be time for me to > upgrade. I still can't verify > PIC's after programming, and it may be the > programmer HW, software, PC port, > or a combo of these, but I'd like consider this from > the standpoint of a > fresh slate. Would love to hear what's available > nowadays that will meet the > following needs... > > - Devices: 12F, 16F, 18F minimum. > - Interface: Serial or parallel preferred. USB may > be an option. > - Software: Anything Linux. Would also be nice if > it worked with MPLAB under > Win2k. > - Cost: Lower = better, but no hard budget/limit > set. > - Availability: Homebuilt preferred, though I'll > consider others. Yes, I > mean my home :-) > > Cheers, > -Neil. > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must > start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other > [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads