As much as I bow to Mr. Tait for his great programmer, I'm thinking that = it's=20 run it's course and it may be time for me to upgrade. I still can't veri= fy=20 PIC's after programming, and it may be the programmer HW, software, PC po= rt,=20 or a combo of these, but I'd like consider this from the standpoint of a=20 fresh slate. Would love to hear what's available nowadays that will meet= the=20 following needs... - Devices: 12F, 16F, 18F minimum. - Interface: Serial or parallel preferred. USB may be an option. - Software: Anything Linux. Would also be nice if it worked with MPLAB = under=20 Win2k. - Cost: Lower =3D better, but no hard budget/limit set. - Availability: Homebuilt preferred, though I'll consider others. Yes, = I=20 mean my home :-) Cheers, -Neil. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads