> I hadn't heard the "quiche eater" term before, but shouldn't your quiche > eaters be restricted to writing MFC apps in Super Turbo Visual Basic++ > with self-debugging GUI where all new code is just combining templates > that Must Not be Questioned provided by the software gods from the great > temple in Redmond? > Nah, when the term "quiche eater" was common it was generally used by assembler programmers having a dig at C and PASCAL programmers. When I first heard it, I think it was primarilly directed against all those unix weenies writing shell scripts, by the C programmers. It all depends on who you want to insult, and who you want to compliment :-) Probably you can use the 80/20 rule. Pick a dividing line so that only 20% of the people qualify as non quiche-eaters. Or 10% Or 1%. Unfortunately, one finds very often that the people in the top 10% of writing efficient code and understanding your favorite language are not the same as the top 10% of people who understand the problem that the program is supposed to solve... >> He didn't know the difference between & and && Bits? What are bits? I've about given up on criticizing code like: flags |= BIT_ONE; flags |= BIT_TWO; Instead of: flags |= BIT_ONE|BIT_TWO; I just hope our compiler is good enough to do the right thing... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body